A while back, I made a post comparing people who solicit for designer donor eggs to Nazis. As always, art and humor can never find ways to be as awful as real life. Lookie what we have here from Sunday.
Nazism in a nutshell: My race should stick together. There's nothing sufficiently evil about it in its basis that we need to shoot Nazis on sight. But race war is a natural, logical, and inevitable outcome of Nationalist Socialism. When your race needs to expand and so does your neighbor's, the exclusivity forces you into conflict.
It's perfectly fine to say "I trend this way". But confusing trend lines with natural laws is where I disagree with Homophobes, Racists, Sexists, and Bigots of all stripes.
No, that's tribalism. Aryans are far from the only tribalistic group and certainly not an inevitable product of it. Hell, the Jews themselves are exceptionally tribalistic.
I'm not even in favor of tribalism, but when the answer is "you're wrong for following your aesthetic desires" it's stepped too far. If someone trends to find blond haired and blue eyed women attractive, it's hardly a bad idea to put that up in a dating profile. If a couple is blond haired and blue eyed, it's not in any way weird for them to want a child who looks the same, for both shallow and not so shallow reasons.
Yes, Nazism is tribalism as political (as opposed to sociological) theory.
you're wrong for following your aesthetic desires
Did you even look at the ad? They're not following aesthetic desires. They provided a set of hard and fast criteria, many of which have nothing to do with genetics or aesthetics.
-some form of college education -irrelevant to genetics or aesthetics -BMI of 28 or less -linked more closely to income than either -20-28 years of age -irrelevant to aesthetics, more relevant to the surgery than reproduction -height 5'3 or taller -Blond hair -Blue eyes -some form of post HS education -irrelevant to genetics or aesthetics -Caucasian -no use of illegal drugs, cigarettes, alcohol abuse or antidepressants -linked more closely to income than either -active lifestyle -linked more closely to income than either -attractive -linked more closely to income than either
I agree that many of these traits do not necessarily indicate a good set of genetics, but they might. Maybe their college educated egg maker got there because her parents were rich, but it's a filter that is likely going to slightly predispose your chances toward intelligence. Rich dumb people and smart poor people may fall on the "wrong" side, but in the middle there's going to be some selection group where the smart kids decide to go on to college and the dumb kids decide they don't want to go to school anymore.
So you've basically got three goals here, selecting for positive genetic traits (however inaccurately), selecting to match the mother in gross physical characteristics, and selecting for current health (separate from larger genetic traits). The only one that doesn't seem to make much sense to me is the current health, but that more seems irrelevant than offensive in any way.
I do. I think that intelligence is far from the main factor that gets you into college. Income is probably an order of magnitude higher on the list.
If action X increases my hypothetical kids' chances of entering or completing college by some positive value Y and action X has no cost and no downsides, then I'm taking action X even if Y is small.
Nazism in a nutshell: My race should stick together.
I think there's a big difference between racial pride and actively trying to exterminate other races. Perhaps racial pride is condemnable, but putting it on the same level as the Nazis is like saying murderers and shoplifters are equally condemnable since they're both crimes.
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It's perfectly fine to say "I trend this way". But confusing trend lines with natural laws is where I disagree with Homophobes, Racists, Sexists, and Bigots of all stripes.
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I'm not even in favor of tribalism, but when the answer is "you're wrong for following your aesthetic desires" it's stepped too far. If someone trends to find blond haired and blue eyed women attractive, it's hardly a bad idea to put that up in a dating profile. If a couple is blond haired and blue eyed, it's not in any way weird for them to want a child who looks the same, for both shallow and not so shallow reasons.
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you're wrong for following your aesthetic desires
Did you even look at the ad? They're not following aesthetic desires. They provided a set of hard and fast criteria, many of which have nothing to do with genetics or aesthetics.
-some form of college education -irrelevant to genetics or aesthetics
-BMI of 28 or less -linked more closely to income than either
-20-28 years of age -irrelevant to aesthetics, more relevant to the surgery than reproduction
-height 5'3 or taller
-Blond hair
-Blue eyes
-some form of post HS education -irrelevant to genetics or aesthetics
-Caucasian
-no use of illegal drugs, cigarettes, alcohol abuse or antidepressants -linked more closely to income than either
-active lifestyle -linked more closely to income than either
-attractive -linked more closely to income than either
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So you've basically got three goals here, selecting for positive genetic traits (however inaccurately), selecting to match the mother in gross physical characteristics, and selecting for current health (separate from larger genetic traits). The only one that doesn't seem to make much sense to me is the current health, but that more seems irrelevant than offensive in any way.
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You don't think that intelligence (or at least scholastic aptitude) has a genetic component?
-no use of illegal drugs, cigarettes, alcohol abuse or antidepressants
It's pretty widely documented that alcoholism and other addictive behavior have a strong genetic component, as well.
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I do. I think that intelligence is far from the main factor that gets you into college. Income is probably an order of magnitude higher on the list.
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If action X increases my hypothetical kids' chances of entering or completing college by some positive value Y and action X has no cost and no downsides, then I'm taking action X even if Y is small.
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I think there's a big difference between racial pride and actively trying to exterminate other races. Perhaps racial pride is condemnable, but putting it on the same level as the Nazis is like saying murderers and shoplifters are equally condemnable since they're both crimes.