etherial: a burning flag (politics)
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With SFS Advisor and WPI Professor George Phillies getting a lot of lj-press today regarding his 2008 Presidential bid, I find these entries of my own topical:


Unenrolled Voters 2,000,062 48.8%
Democratic 1,526,711 37.2%
Republican 532,319 13.0%
Libertarian 23,900 .6%
Green 9,509 .2%
Other 6,133 .1%


"Unenrolled" has been the largest political affiliation in Massachusetts since 1992, and has been growing in "popularity" every year! To help keep this poll free of meddling, I included in my response what I would have estimated before I knew the exact figures.

A long time ago, we had "cross-endorsement" or "fusion voting" as standard operating procedure here in the United States. Basically, a candidate could receive nominations from several political parties. This allowed people to vote for a candidate, but also help indicate which aspect of that candidate's position most closely reflected their own views, by aligning themselves with one of the many parties nominating that candidate. This practice was systematically eliminated in 42 states as Democrats and Republicans feared losing electoral battles against more than one political party.

With roughly half of Massachusetts voters as unenrolled, it is abundantly clear that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are offering what Massachusetts voters want, yet they consistently get all the electoral attention because of the perceived inability of "third" parties to be electable. One of the more powerful minority parties in New York, the Working Families Party has been trying to expand into Massachusetts. They've managed to put a referendum on this year's ballot to reinstate cross-endorsement (vote YES on #2!)

So, uh, they want me to work for them. I don't particularly agree with their political stance, but the opportunity to work to repair American politics and be a leader of that change is very appealing. I love the idea of working to bring back the people's confidence in the core of our political system - voting - while simultaneously eliminating the two greatest threats to our country - the Democratic and Republican parties. The hours suck - 2-10pm and the pay will be unpredictable and probably lousy, but I'm having great difficulty dismissing the idea of being a part of a movement to effect change in an ailing world, to move Massachusetts and the rest of the country forward.

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Date: 2006-07-31 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuromancerzss.livejournal.com
There are still voting strategies for this that distribute seats such that they do not represent the population. Say there are 4 seats and 200 voters, 100 Republican, 100 Democrat. There are at least 4 candidates from each party.

Since the democrats can't organize their way out of a paper bag, their voters vote 40 for D1, 30 for D2, 20 for D3, and 10 for D4.

The republicans, on the other hand, are an evil-army of efficiency. They know they won't get all the seats so they focus on only 3 candidates. They also know that the most the democrats can put into seat 3 is 33 and the most they can put into seat 4 is 25. Thus, to ensure they get at least 2 seats, they vote 34 for R1 and R2, and then 32 for R3.

The Republicans win 3 seats. Furthermore this guarantees them their 2 proportional seats even if the democrats know about it beforehand and try to counter it, so it's never harmful. Granted, it would never be this clean or sure in real life, but an organized voter base can take advantage of this system to get non-proportional representation.

I like proportional voting, but every system has its flaws.

re: proportional voting

Date: 2006-08-01 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] etherial.livejournal.com
You misread his system. If there are 4 seats and 4 democratic candidates, the 100 Democrats each vote for all 4 Democrats, ditto the Republicans. As a result, the system's tiebreaker rules take effect. Now, if there are not exactly 4 Republican Candidates, the 4 Democratic Candidates are virtually assured to all be put into office.

Re: proportional voting

Date: 2006-08-01 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuromancerzss.livejournal.com
I misexplained it, but the property still holds. If the Democrats spread their votes according to whim and the Republicans vote as a block then it will likely not return a proportional result. Change the example to 50 party voters with 2 votes each and the numbers work out the same.

Re: proportional voting

Date: 2006-08-01 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dirkcjelli.livejournal.com
You'll be able to game any political system... I was attempting to show how one could try to prevent "two party gaming" to some extent...

(I don't think local geography has a lot to do with representation any more... at least not when selecting federal representation. 51% telling 49% to go die in a hole is not (good) democracy).

the "solution" to this sort of gaming is to withhold official party endorsement... the party will only allow X people to call themeselves "democrats" (this, in turn, will encourage smaller parties and independents.)

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