ok, I'm somewhat rested now. Heart disease and heart surgery usually do not involve a choice. You have the surgery, or you die. Hobson's choice at best. Abortion is (in most cases) an elective surgery. You can choose to have the operation, or not. This choice is not an easy choice for most, because there's much more of a weighing of consequences than the person who is given the option of Quadruple bypass or Death.
And as to abortion not being a good thing... well it is and it isn't. It's super fantastic that we have access to it, but it's a crime and a shame that people have to resort to it, when proper education and preventative steps will in most cases make it possible to avoid an operation that can have both physical and emotional side effects. In your analogy, (the one I have a problem with), the same would go for heart surgery. Great that we have access to it as a last resort, but it sucks that people expect it to be a safety net and are either not provided preventative health maintenance advice, or that they refuse to take care with their cardiac health, knowing that if their arteries get too clogged, they can just get the bypass.
I had more thoughts and what all, but we'll probably talk in person about abortion at some point, so I figure I'd save those thoughts till then.
I like you, so I won't kill you with my mind powers.
You are totally pulling your statistics out of your butt, but okay, change it to gall bladder surgery. The range of conditions it treats are painful and inconvenient, but rarely lethal. Same for abortion.
No one goes in saying "YES! I GET TO HAVE GALL BLADDER SURGERY!" (okay, maybe a few weirdos) but the existence of the procedure for when it is needed is an unmitigated good.
Ah, I see we have entirely missed the point. kadath is saying precisely this. In both cases, there is a condition that can be corrected by medical intervention; the intervention has its own stresses, risks, and potential complications, but the existence and availability of said procedure is nonetheless infinitely preferable to the alternative.
And anonymous posting is for cowards. Own your words. Unless LJ randomly logged you off, because it does that.
Ah, I see we have entirely missed the point. kadath is saying precisely this.
It looked to me like kadath was disagreeing with etherial's original statement.
In both cases, there is a condition that can be corrected by medical intervention; the intervention has its own stresses, risks, and potential complications, but the existence and availability of said procedure is nonetheless infinitely preferable to the alternative.
and I thought her disagreement was odd because I think by etherial and kadth would agree with this.
Unless LJ randomly logged you off, because it does that.
kadath and I are quibbling over the definition of "good". Also, I was wondering who else might be commenting in my journal from Texas. I'm not surprised the answer is "no one".
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Heart disease is not a good thing, but open heart surgery is.
Unwanted pregnancy is not a good thing, but abortions are.
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And as to abortion not being a good thing... well it is and it isn't. It's super fantastic that we have access to it, but it's a crime and a shame that people have to resort to it, when proper education and preventative steps will in most cases make it possible to avoid an operation that can have both physical and emotional side effects. In your analogy, (the one I have a problem with), the same would go for heart surgery. Great that we have access to it as a last resort, but it sucks that people expect it to be a safety net and are either not provided preventative health maintenance advice, or that they refuse to take care with their cardiac health, knowing that if their arteries get too clogged, they can just get the bypass.
I had more thoughts and what all, but we'll probably talk in person about abortion at some point, so I figure I'd save those thoughts till then.
I like you, so I won't kill you with my mind powers.
No one goes in saying "YES! I GET TO HAVE GALL BLADDER SURGERY!" (okay, maybe a few weirdos) but the existence of the procedure for when it is needed is an unmitigated good.
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And anonymous posting is for cowards. Own your words. Unless LJ randomly logged you off, because it does that.
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It looked to me like kadath was disagreeing with etherial's original statement.
In both cases, there is a condition that can be corrected by medical intervention; the intervention has its own stresses, risks, and potential complications, but the existence and availability of said procedure is nonetheless infinitely preferable to the alternative.
and I thought her disagreement was odd because I think by etherial and kadth would agree with this.
Unless LJ randomly logged you off, because it does that.
It did. That was me.
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