Equality

May. 23rd, 2004 11:42 am
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I have this friend Sean. Many of you know him. He is a tough, hard-assed, and shrewd logical thinker. Everything he believes is firmly entrenched in logic. He's also a Conservative Christian, and doesn't like "gay marriage." Needless to say, this has been a topic of debate between the two of us for some time.

A month ago, I was going to make a post about how we were debating the issue, and for the first time in a long time, I felt like I had held my ground. That was an important day for me, because I get a bit touchy when my friends and family fail to see the logic against them.

Yesterday, the issue came up in conversation again, and he conceded. So long as there is a legal institution of marriage, it has to be applied equally to all couples seeking it. Regardless as to whether or not they're dirty homo queer fags.

This is my 300th post.

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Date: 2004-05-23 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evan712.livejournal.com
I wasn't referring to sexual preference or gender roles. I was relating what I have seen from friends that were raised primarily by parets of one sex. Pretty much all of them have had problems relating to people of the opposite sex. I was thinking of the humanizing aspect of close interaction with both sexes. This can be taken care of through other means, but it is practically automatic through normal familial relations. Especially in large families.

There are also plenty of other flaws that that will cause issues in relating to others. Which is one of the main reasons I have no problem with gays marrying and having kids. Anyone who has to go to a lot of trouble to have a kid obviously wants it, and thus is much more likely to strive to be a good parent.

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Date: 2004-05-23 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xevb3k.livejournal.com
I was raised by my mother, and I get along with men much better than I get along with women... so I guess I'm an exception to that idea.

I only know one person who was raised by a gay parent. He is the only person I know who (a) was never abused or neglected as a child, (b) doesn't hate his parents, and (c) has a healthy, close relationship with his mother.

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Date: 2004-05-23 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evan712.livejournal.com
Hmmm, you and Brynn made me think a bit more about the people I've known. All of them except one were guys, and the girl had problems with everyone socially. Maybe the tendency is more of a problem relating to women?

The main problem I have seen with guys who are raised by women, is the tendency to put women on a pedestal. An untouchable object of perfection, AKA Madonna complex. One friend is pretty much resigned to being exclusively gay (he is bi) because he can't deal with the idea of a woman debasing herself by having anything to do with him. Granted his upbringing was screwed up in other ways as well... but the same idea is there in other guys, just not to that degree.

He is the only person I know who (a) was never abused or neglected as a child, (b) doesn't hate his parents, and (c) has a healthy, close relationship with his mother.

*waves*
Now you know two people. Of course, according to most of my friends, there is something wrong with me... I'm a Republican :-P

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